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California beats smokers into submission.
NewsDay.com ^ | 8 October 2002 | Erin Texeira

Posted on 10/08/2002 3:03:19 AM PDT by SheLion

In 1998, when California became the first state to ban smoking in all indoor public spaces, business owners and regular folks howled their objections.

Restaurants and bars would lose customers. Social rituals would be stifled. Freedom of expression would suffer.

Now, nearly five years later, the California restaurant industry is celebrating profits that have grown steadily since the law passed. Protests have diminished to wimpers.

Indeed, as Nassau, Suffolk, New York City and Westchester legislators debate the first anti-smoking laws in New York State, some California jurisdictions now are taking the ban a step further.

Take, for example, Berkeley.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
Gee ... Sounds like you better be for non smokers rights in this town ... because lynching cannot be far behind.
1 posted on 10/08/2002 3:03:19 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; maxwell; ...
"As a business owner, I feel I should have the right to cater to smokers or nonsmokers," she said. "I should be able to make the choice because I pay the bills here."

Nancy Vodvarka, owner of the W.T. Smithers Restaurant and Tavern in Dover, Del., said she has dozens of objections to a law passed in June that will ban smoking in all public buildings, including restaurants and bars, in the state. The law goes into effect Nov. 27.

Audrey Silk of New York City's Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment denounces the laws, which are spreading nationwide. "This is nothing but coercion between the outer counties and New York City to leave no place left for smokers to go," she said.

2 posted on 10/08/2002 3:06:59 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Did they mention the enormous cost HIV, AIDs costs the taxpayers? Behavior such as smoking does cost in the long run and that is a fact but how about the "by choice" dirty needle crowd and the right to have unprotected sex costing all taxpayers a fortune? They get tough on the smokers and allow other behaviors resulting in high medical costs to be acceptable? Am I missing something here?
3 posted on 10/08/2002 3:19:38 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: SheLion
Nice to know the author thinks it's OK to "beat smokers into submission."

I hope some loudmouth trys it with me.
:O)

4 posted on 10/08/2002 3:24:43 AM PDT by metesky
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To: oldironsides
Oh sure. Smoking weed, crack, drive by shootings, Spousal abuse, abortion, drinking and driving and ending up in a twisted piece of metal is fine. JUST DON'T SMOKE.

Crazy, isn't it?

5 posted on 10/08/2002 3:27:21 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
I hope some loudmouth trys it with me.

And with ME!! They wouldn't stand a chance against Bubba either. heh!

6 posted on 10/08/2002 3:28:44 AM PDT by SheLion
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"The laws also have emboldened nonsmokers so that many now openly castigate smokers who light up in their vicinity, residents said."

""Every now and then you see someone puffing away, but it doesn't last long," said K.N. Henry, a housing official at U.C. Berkeley. "People are like, 'Hey! Put that out!'"

(Over my dead cold body!!!!!)

7 posted on 10/08/2002 3:31:11 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"The laws also have emboldened nonsmokers so that many now openly castigate smokers who light up in their vicinity, residents said."

Yeah. Happened to me outdoors on the last day I was in the U.S. Definitely, I don't want to go back to California.

8 posted on 10/08/2002 3:50:39 AM PDT by altair
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To: altair
Not all of California is alike. I cannot count the number of bars I, or relatives here, have seen in Southern California that openly flout the law. Ashtrays everywhere. Some even sell ciggies from behind the bar. Cigar clubs are bigger than ever -- I've gone to one in Whittier. Civil disobedience is not dead.
9 posted on 10/08/2002 5:07:58 AM PDT by Greybird
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To: SheLion
On the end of his nose.
10 posted on 10/08/2002 5:10:20 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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To: Greybird
That's nice to hear. ;-D
11 posted on 10/08/2002 5:13:09 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: SheLion
In California, revenues in the state's $40 billion-a-year restaurant industry have grown on average 3 percent annually since the law's passage, according to Mark Martin of the California Restaurant Association in Sacramento. Nationwide, restaurant growth was about 6 percent, he said.

I wonder why Cali's revenues have been about HALF of what the national average is.
I'd be willing to bet that the smoking ban had SOMETHING to do with it.

12 posted on 10/08/2002 6:31:10 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
Thanl Gray Stalin and his Caliban.
13 posted on 10/08/2002 9:16:53 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: metesky
Try asking them if they're pro choice before you light up, :-)
14 posted on 10/08/2002 2:17:48 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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truth.org got hacked.

I would not suggest going to it, especially if you are at work.

someone took it over and set it up to take posts.

http://www.truth.org/

15 posted on 10/15/2002 9:32:09 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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